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Cannabis | Marijuana => Cannabis General => Topic started by: ÂçïÐ_Rëƒlü×® on November 18, 2016, 08:01:31 PM
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Sen. Jeff Sessions’s past remarks clearly indicate he doesn't support letting states set their own marijuana laws without federal interference, setting up an early potential conflict inside the new administration.
President-elect Donald Trump has offered the top spot in the Justice Department to U.S. Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama, an ardent opponent of marijuana law reform, several news organizations are reporting.
As attorney general, Sessions would oversee federal prosecutors, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and other law enforcement agencies that would be responsible for any crackdown on marijuana businesses and consumers operating in compliance with state laws.
During the presidential campaign, Trump repeatedly pledged to respect state cannabis policies if elected president, though has shown himself willing to change his position on various issues over the years.
If Sessions becomes attorney general, which would require a confirmation vote by his fellow senators early next year, it will likely become much more challenging for marijuana law reform supporters to encourage the new president to keep his cannabis campaign pledges.
In a Senate hearing on the federal response to state marijuana laws in April, Sessions said, “good people don’t smoke marijuana,” and implied that even discussion of legalization could create a gateway effect to increased use of other drugs.
“We need grown ups in Washington to say marijuana is not the kind of thing that ought to be legalized, it ought not to be minimized, that it is in fact a very real danger,” he said. “You’ll see cocaine and heroin increase more than it would have, I think, had we not talked about it.”
Sessions, a former U.S. attorney, also criticized President Obama for his administration’s approach to the issue. “His lax treatment and comments on marijuana, it’s been obvious, it reverses 20 years almost of hostility to drugs, begun really, when Nancy Reagan started the ‘Just Say No’ program,” the senator said.
While Sessions was under consideration for a federal judgeship in 1986, a former deputy accused him of saying that the Ku Klux Klan “were OK until I found out they smoked pot.” Sessions later said the remark was an out-of-context joke, but it and other racially charged comments soon led to his nomination’s rejection by the Senate Judiciary Committee, a body on which he now sits as a member and which will consider his confirmation as the nation’s top law enforcement officer.
During last year’s confirmation hearing for Loretta Lynch, the current attorney general, Sessions questioned her about marijuana policy, forcefully pressing for more federal action on the issue in light of the relative leeway the Obama administration has given to states to implement their own laws.
“I hope that you will cease to be silent, because if the law enforcement officers don’t do this, I don’t know who will. And in the past, attorneys general and other government officials have spoken out and I think kept bad decisions from being made,” he said.
In a Senate floor speech earlier this year, Sessions slammed President Obama for admitting to previous drug use and downplaying its effects.
“You have to have leadership from Washington. You can’t have the President of the United States of America talking about marijuana like it is no different than taking a drink, saying I used marijuana when I was in high school and it is no different than smoking,” he said. “It is different. And you are sending a message to young people that there is no danger in this process. It is false that marijuana use doesn’t lead people to more drug use. It is already causing a disturbance in the States that have made it legal. I think we need to be careful about this.”
In a 2014 hearing, Sessions laid into FBI Director James Comey for implying he was thinking of loosening the bureau’s hiring restrictions on people who have used marijuana. “Do you understand that that could be interpreted as one more example of leadership in America dismissing the seriousness of marijuana use and that could undermine our ability to convince young people not to go down that dangerous path?” he asked.
In a separate hearing with then-Attorney General Eric Holder, Sessions used an anecdote about singer Lady Gaga to argue that President Obama has understated cannabis’s harms. “Lady Gaga said she is addicted to it and it is not harmless,” he said. “I hope that you will talk with the president, you’re close with him, and begin to push back, or pull back, on this position that I think is going to be adverse to the health of America.”
In another Senate floor speech, Sessions decried the rise of state marijuana legalization and harkened back to Reagan administration. “Now we have states legalizing it, and they are already talking about recriminalizing it. It is a mistake. We have seen that experiment before. Lives are at stake,” he said. “The federal government led the way with tough sentencing, eliminating parole, targeting dangerous drugs in effective ways, and states and local governments followed.”
Sessions’s past remarks clearly indicate he doesn’t support letting states set their own marijuana laws without federal interference, setting up an early potential conflict inside the new administration. Trump will have to decide how much rein to give the attorney general to go against his repeated campaign pledges.
“I really believe you should leave it up to the states. It should be a state situation,” Trump said during a campaign rally. “In terms of marijuana and legalization, I think that should be a state issue, state by state.”
Similarly, in an interview with a Denver TV station, he said, “I think it’s up to the states. I’m a states person. I think it should be up to the states, absolutely.”
And at the Conservative Political Action Conference Trump said that when it comes to state marijuana laws, “If they vote for it, they vote for it.”
Marijuana law reform advocates’ best hope may be that the administration views the issue through a political lens and decides that reversing clear pledges and mounting a federal effort to overturn broadly popular laws in a growing number of states would create fights it does not need, likely distracting harmfully from other issues the new president cares much more about.
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That makes me a saaaaaaad panda.
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Thanks Trump voters. :popcorn:
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Thanks Trump voters. :popcorn:
That's real nice, I hope you weren't up all evening thinking this up, you sound like a george soros 'useless idiot' millenial
Has any other president ever legalized marijuana, I don't think so
Even your obvious fav, obama hasn't done much to help with his 'operation chokepoint', so please don't
insinuate that anyone in power gives a more favorable glance at this topic. What obama has said & what Trump says is true,
the States have made large gains in legalization. Obviously federal hands are tied about this issue. My bet is the real hold-up
is in the way the DEA operates and it will take more than just an 'executive order' to overturn 200+ years of history concerning marijuana
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You assume a lot :spankherself:
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Trump is picking shitty establishment assholes to fill his cabinet.
Voters who backed Trump got played. He doesn't care about 'draining the swamp.' He's in it for his ego, I think.
Now he has appointed some asshole who thinks "Good people don't smoke marijuana." All the progress being made could be ruined by a Reagan-era type pushback from this all-republican government now. Presidency, House, Senate. All republican. At least they can stop blaming Obama for everything under the sun :)
Fuck Trump. I hated Clinton too, and didn't vote, but fuck Trump and his shitty appointees.
If you voted, you have to own up to what your candidate is doing. Calling people "useless idiots", such reductive rhetoric, isn't going to do any good. People are upset Trump is president without needing to get paid for it. He is practically a self admitted sex-offender, an arrogant ass, and ran on a platform of xenophobia and racism, playing on fear to become one of the most powerful people in the world. Yes, people should be upset.. if they're paying attention, they should be upset.
It's even more sad that he basically just played the racist-right like a fiddle to get power.
Oh and fuck you Jeff Sessions. Good people don't judge other people they don't even know. And I bet that asshole would call himself a Christian. Are you without sin? Why doth thou throwest thine stones?!
lol
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Trump is picking shitty establishment assholes to fill his cabinet.
Voters who backed Trump got played. He doesn't care about 'draining the swamp.' He's in it for his ego, I think.
Now he has appointed some asshole who thinks "Good people don't smoke marijuana." All the progress being made could be ruined by a Reagan-era type pushback from this all-republican government now. Presidency, House, Senate. All republican. At least they can stop blaming Obama for everything under the sun :)
Fuck Trump. I hated Clinton too, and didn't vote, but fuck Trump and his shitty appointees.
If you voted, you have to own up to what your candidate is doing. Calling people "useless idiots", such reductive rhetoric, isn't going to do any good. People are upset Trump is president without needing to get paid for it. He is practically a self admitted sex-offender, an arrogant ass, and ran on a platform of xenophobia and racism, playing on fear to become one of the most powerful people in the world. Yes, people should be upset.. if they're paying attention, they should be upset.
It's even more sad that he basically just played the racist-right like a fiddle to get power.
Oh and fuck you Jeff Sessions. Good people don't judge other people they don't even know. And I bet that asshole would call himself a Christian. Are you without sin? Why doth thou throwest thine stones?!
lol
:goodpost :ineeddrugs
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Trump is picking shitty establishment assholes to fill his cabinet.
Voters who backed Trump got played. He doesn't care about 'draining the swamp.' He's in it for his ego, I think.
Now he has appointed some asshole who thinks "Good people don't smoke marijuana." All the progress being made could be ruined by a Reagan-era type pushback from this all-republican government now. Presidency, House, Senate. All republican. At least they can stop blaming Obama for everything under the sun :)
Fuck Trump. I hated Clinton too, and didn't vote, but fuck Trump and his shitty appointees.
If you voted, you have to own up to what your candidate is doing. Calling people "useless idiots", such reductive rhetoric, isn't going to do any good. People are upset Trump is president without needing to get paid for it. He is practically a self admitted sex-offender, an arrogant ass, and ran on a platform of xenophobia and racism, playing on fear to become one of the most powerful people in the world. Yes, people should be upset.. if they're paying attention, they should be upset.
It's even more sad that he basically just played the racist-right like a fiddle to get power.
Oh and fuck you Jeff Sessions. Good people don't judge other people they don't even know. And I bet that asshole would call himself a Christian. Are you without sin? Why doth thou throwest thine stones?!
lol
Couldnt have said it better myself. Really good post.
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Trump is picking shitty establishment assholes to fill his cabinet.
Voters who backed Trump got played. He doesn't care about 'draining the swamp.' He's in it for his ego, I think.
Now he has appointed some asshole who thinks "Good people don't smoke marijuana." All the progress being made could be ruined by a Reagan-era type pushback from this all-republican government now. Presidency, House, Senate. All republican. At least they can stop blaming Obama for everything under the sun :)
Fuck Trump. I hated Clinton too, and didn't vote, but fuck Trump and his shitty appointees.
If you voted, you have to own up to what your candidate is doing. Calling people "useless idiots", such reductive rhetoric, isn't going to do any good. People are upset Trump is president without needing to get paid for it. He is practically a self admitted sex-offender, an arrogant ass, and ran on a platform of xenophobia and racism, playing on fear to become one of the most powerful people in the world. Yes, people should be upset.. if they're paying attention, they should be upset.
It's even more sad that he basically just played the racist-right like a fiddle to get power.
Oh and fuck you Jeff Sessions. Good people don't judge other people they don't even know. And I bet that asshole would call himself a Christian. Are you without sin? Why doth thou throwest thine stones?!
lol
Couldnt have said it better myself. Really good post.
My feelings exactly! :goodpost:
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Niice, love RTJ.
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Great POST !! :weedpass:
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I thought these drug war dinosaurs had reached the point of extinction . Apparently I was wrong on this point ! Prepare for a tsunami of Reefer Madness propaganda and an increase in the prison population !! :stoned
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Makes me worried for FHI, CFL etc. Have we been living in a magic bubble that's about to pop? Good God I thought we had been seeing progress...
I really don't want to Make America greatly shitty again, looking for that final move out of this shithole. My god how regressive, we think of progress in a straight line but the Hindu cycles is probably more accurate. The Kali Yuga, Trump's proposed cabinet be perfect for the age of destruction.
LMFAO, a quick Google of "Kali Yuga trump" is highly entertaining and quite horrifying...
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:goodpost :weedspin
Hope everything will turn out ok! For FHI and CFL!
I am hoping since more states just legalized weed, then maybe Trump admin will leave it to the states!
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I'm going to wait to see what actually happens versus worrying about it, and I'm going to keep on burning regardless of what happens... :joint
Free da weed (and hands off my kratom)!
:weedspin :weedspin :weedspin
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One thing I have noticed about Trump, he uses people in much the same way that a carpenter uses tools.
I wouldn't assume that anyone he picks out for any job will necessarily stay employed for long.
I agree with Uruk-High that guessing his next move and blaming him for things he hasn't yet done
are fruitless pursuits at best, because he hasn't yet become president.
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lol I should have a job where I get high and argue with people for a living.
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:goodpost
In one sentence no less :quag:
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I'm less concerned about his stance on Cannabis, even though that sucks, and FAR more worried about the FACT that he is a known and OPEN WHITE SUPREMACIST. He was even passed
over for a federal judge position by REPUBLICANS because even they realized the ridiculous extent of his racial bias. With this guy in this position of power, mixed people like me and other
people of color are going to continue to be murdered with impunity and zero consequences for those who commit this crimes. I'm trying not to but I'm very scared. My family is mixed, African
American/Caucasian, as is my girlfriend and our little girl. That's what worries me the most. I thought things were better than this. I don't want her to grow up in a world where people think
it's okay to treat her like shit just because she's not the right color in the mind of a bunch of ignorant, backwards white people who are screwing things up for EVERYONE. I just can't stand this also
because it's creating so much division. All this crap is causing a lot of white people to be tarred with the same brush as the racist, hateful ones. And I've always known plenty of white people, including
those in my family, who are in no way like these ignorant ones and in no way support their disgusting opinions, and they stand up and fight against these damaging attitudes and policies. That is the only
way we are going to make it through this, by coming together regardless of color or culture and making it clear that everyone should be equal. I don't get how anyone could have a problem with that.
If Trump is a neo-nazi then why did he build the first club in Florida that expressly allowed Jews to join?
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I'm less concerned about his stance on Cannabis, even though that sucks, and FAR more worried about the FACT that he is a known and OPEN WHITE SUPREMACIST. He was even passed
over for a federal judge position by REPUBLICANS because even they realized the ridiculous extent of his racial bias. With this guy in this position of power, mixed people like me and other
people of color are going to continue to be murdered with impunity and zero consequences for those who commit this crimes. I'm trying not to but I'm very scared. My family is mixed, African
American/Caucasian, as is my girlfriend and our little girl. That's what worries me the most. I thought things were better than this. I don't want her to grow up in a world where people think
it's okay to treat her like shit just because she's not the right color in the mind of a bunch of ignorant, backwards white people who are screwing things up for EVERYONE. I just can't stand this also
because it's creating so much division. All this crap is causing a lot of white people to be tarred with the same brush as the racist, hateful ones. And I've always known plenty of white people, including
those in my family, who are in no way like these ignorant ones and in no way support their disgusting opinions, and they stand up and fight against these damaging attitudes and policies. That is the only
way we are going to make it through this, by coming together regardless of color or culture and making it clear that everyone should be equal. I don't get how anyone could have a problem with that.
If Trump is a neo-nazi then why did he build the first club in Florida that expressly allowed Jews to join?
He also made sure black folks can join his clubs, too, if I remember correctly.
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I'm less concerned about his stance on Cannabis, even though that sucks, and FAR more worried about the FACT that he is a known and OPEN WHITE SUPREMACIST. He was even passed
over for a federal judge position by REPUBLICANS because even they realized the ridiculous extent of his racial bias. With this guy in this position of power, mixed people like me and other
people of color are going to continue to be murdered with impunity and zero consequences for those who commit this crimes. I'm trying not to but I'm very scared. My family is mixed, African
American/Caucasian, as is my girlfriend and our little girl. That's what worries me the most. I thought things were better than this. I don't want her to grow up in a world where people think
it's okay to treat her like shit just because she's not the right color in the mind of a bunch of ignorant, backwards white people who are screwing things up for EVERYONE. I just can't stand this also
because it's creating so much division. All this crap is causing a lot of white people to be tarred with the same brush as the racist, hateful ones. And I've always known plenty of white people, including
those in my family, who are in no way like these ignorant ones and in no way support their disgusting opinions, and they stand up and fight against these damaging attitudes and policies. That is the only
way we are going to make it through this, by coming together regardless of color or culture and making it clear that everyone should be equal. I don't get how anyone could have a problem with that.
If Trump is a neo-nazi then why did he build the first club in Florida that expressly allowed Jews to join?
He also made sure black folks can join his clubs, too, if I remember correctly.
he is a business man after all
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And legal MJ is BIG Business. Fuck Jeff Sessions opinion. :weedspin :weedspin :weedspin
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Devos, the billionair-ess, secretary of education is it?, ----- turns out her bro is Eric Prince founder of Blackwater.
The right-wing ties run deep with this cabinet.
My father has become a sort of fox news regurgitator. I am fairly sure there is some hardening of neurons going on there, loss of neuroplasticity beginning of Alzheimer's bless his heart . Never, never in my life has he been so on the edge of sanity
Last week he and buddy were saying if we don't ban Muslims we'll all be speaking Arabic soon.
while smoking pot occasionally and having friends that smoke regularly, he votes anti-marijuana for example. His daughter in law is a coyote-delivered Mexican girl (a citizen now) from the mountains outside Mexico city that used to share a pot of beans that has to last the family
all week
So his son her husband hears his talk of the wall and deportation as rejection of his family in a way. And it's breaking his son's my brother's heart literally ripping them apart.
THIS I believe is also Trump. A 70 year old man who has smoked not nearly enough mj and is going loopy. Fox news loopy.
Hell, he and my father probably got the Fox brain worm around the same time, same season of Bill O Reilly etc hahaha probably are similarly informed by their fucking TV watching
This is why I feel Trump is going ultra right wing, choosing ultra right wing cabinet,
Cuz he's truly an old white man Fox news nut job just like my dad. Along with fully half of America.
I'd love to get the fuck out of here before it becomes 1950 again, resources, cashing out 401k sell the house the camper whatever it takes. Somebody help us, let's get a process down, move south of border and start that kratom plantation I KNOW YOU FEEL ME :weedspin
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Ever wonder why the folks who said they would leave the US, if Trump was elected
haven't left?
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When you hear about any that do leave, please make a thread or send pm etc., I'd like to see more examples for ideas etc
Remember with dual citizenship it's not as though we have to choose between 2 countries. I think about it also like who doesn't dream of retiring to some tropical paradise, whether in the states or not... We of this persuasion didn't need much convincing at all after the election!
Most likely I'll retire in the states unable to move, fuck, unable to retire in the first place... Dreaming for that better life... While not taking current one for granted.
Really though, if the worst comes to pass, we may not be allowed to leave like in USSR and other authoritarian places
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Really though, if the worst comes to pass, we may not be allowed to leave like in USSR and other authoritarian places
OMG - the RUSSIANS are coming!!!! THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!!!! :rollingonasslaughing:
For craps sake, you need to lay off the bong, dude! What's hilarious to me is that it's the other side of the fence that has been pushing for government totalitarianism for years - what you can eat, what you can drink, what and where you can smoke, what you can say, and they even pick and choose what laws they want to follow. They're even suggesting that news that contradicts their 'enlightened' opinion is therefore 'fake news' and should be banned - how very Ministry of Truth of them. Not sure where you've been getting your news lately, but I assure you that there's plenty of BS in it wherever it comes from. I see it all over your posts.
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Uruk , not cool buddy to attack planeteers over politics.
Emigration has not always been a universal human right. It seems most everywhere but north Korea allows it to some extent today, but many countries do stack paperwork in the way or require exit visas etc. It's not a given everywhere around the world that one can emigrate.
If/when trump pulls some bullshit, uruk will not pay for it personally, hopefully no planeteers would wish to throw it in your face. Likewise discourse you don't agree with shouldn't bring us the whip.
I'll try to drop out of all political discourse here now no worries , it's not worth ruining anyone's lounging. Sorry errybody
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Really though, if the worst comes to pass, we may not be allowed to leave like in USSR and other authoritarian places
OMG - the RUSSIANS are coming!!!! THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!!!! :rollingonasslaughing:
For craps sake, you need to lay off the bong, dude! What's hilarious to me is that it's the other side of the fence that has been pushing for government totalitarianism for years - what you can eat, what you can drink, what and where you can smoke, what you can say, and they even pick and choose what laws they want to follow. They're even suggesting that news that contradicts their 'enlightened' opinion is therefore 'fake news' and should be banned - how very Ministry of Truth of them. Not sure where you've been getting your news lately, but I assure you that there's plenty of BS in it wherever it comes from. I see it all over your posts.
everyone here has an equal opinion and is to be respected even if it is 180° from your own. go to reddit.com or 4chan if you want this type of interaction but don't bring it here. Avoca is family. we are all family including you Uruk and we treat each other with respect. if you don't have anything positive to say about a member, then keep it to yourself please going forward. this forum is about family and connections. my advice is if you feel very passionate about any subject other than recreational themes, then it needs to be voiced elsewhere.
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And cooler heads prevail...
Admittedly some moves being made provide a level of discomfort to some. I still say we have to wait and see how this actually plays out before throwing down the gauntlet in any way. :asslap:
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Uruk , not cool buddy to attack planeteers over politics.
Emigration has not always been a universal human right. It seems most everywhere but north Korea allows it to some extent today, but many countries do stack paperwork in the way or require exit visas etc. It's not a given everywhere around the world that one can emigrate.
If/when trump pulls some bullshit, uruk will not pay for it personally, hopefully no planeteers would wish to throw it in your face. Likewise discourse you don't agree with shouldn't bring us the whip.
I'll try to drop out of all political discourse here now no worries , it's not worth ruining anyone's lounging. Sorry errybody
I never have minded reading about your view and I'm not usually mean enough to crap on you for it, you should have your say
Fwiw tho, I do think what Uruk says is true, but he didn't hafta smack you with it
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Uruk , not cool buddy to attack planeteers over politics.
Emigration has not always been a universal human right. It seems most everywhere but north Korea allows it to some extent today, but many countries do stack paperwork in the way or require exit visas etc. It's not a given everywhere around the world that one can emigrate.
If/when trump pulls some bullshit, uruk will not pay for it personally, hopefully no planeteers would wish to throw it in your face. Likewise discourse you don't agree with shouldn't bring us the whip.
I'll try to drop out of all political discourse here now no worries , it's not worth ruining anyone's lounging. Sorry errybody
I never have minded reading about your view and I'm not usually mean enough to crap on you for it, you should have your say
Fwiw tho, I do think what Uruk says is true, but he didn't hafta smack you with it
I didn't agree or disagree. I didn't like the delivery. it was mean spirited and that's not what we are about here. We are small enough here without losing more folks for having strong opinions about a shitty election season.
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Uruk , not cool buddy to attack planeteers over politics.
Emigration has not always been a universal human right. It seems most everywhere but north Korea allows it to some extent today, but many countries do stack paperwork in the way or require exit visas etc. It's not a given everywhere around the world that one can emigrate.
If/when trump pulls some bullshit, uruk will not pay for it personally, hopefully no planeteers would wish to throw it in your face. Likewise discourse you don't agree with shouldn't bring us the whip.
I'll try to drop out of all political discourse here now no worries , it's not worth ruining anyone's lounging. Sorry errybody
I never have minded reading about your view and I'm not usually mean enough to crap on you for it, you should have your say
Fwiw tho, I do think what Uruk says is true, but he didn't hafta smack you with it
I didn't agree or disagree. I didn't like the delivery. it was mean spirited and that's not what we are about here. We are small enough here without losing more folks for having strong opinions about a shitty election season.
I agree, but after viewing Uruk's other post on the same topic, from the same day, I conclude that he was just wound up
over this whole election and the actions and comments made by the opposite side. I'm sure Uruk would
calm right down if he was restrained and a big blunt was shoved in his mouth
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:weed-sign: :weed: :cigar :weedspin
Yes indeed. There is only one answer
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Uruk , not cool buddy to attack planeteers over politics.
Emigration has not always been a universal human right. It seems most everywhere but north Korea allows it to some extent today, but many countries do stack paperwork in the way or require exit visas etc. It's not a given everywhere around the world that one can emigrate.
If/when trump pulls some bullshit, uruk will not pay for it personally, hopefully no planeteers would wish to throw it in your face. Likewise discourse you don't agree with shouldn't bring us the whip.
I'll try to drop out of all political discourse here now no worries , it's not worth ruining anyone's lounging. Sorry errybody
Fair enough, and I'll apologize for being more direct with my comments towards you, Avoca. That being said, I'll go on the record and state that I certainly did not join the Planet/Lounge for political discourse. I'm just getting really sick and tired of the racist, nazi, what have you comments directed towards folks like me. They may not be directed at me personally, but I still take offense nonetheless (and therefore feel compelled to react.) I would suggest that such comments are one of the many significant reasons that Trump won, and folks on the other side of the fence should think long and hard about the value of focusing on identity politics as a strategy in the long term.
And now I'll shut up on the subject. What's done is done, and what will be will be.
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Uruk , not cool buddy to attack planeteers over politics.
Emigration has not always been a universal human right. It seems most everywhere but north Korea allows it to some extent today, but many countries do stack paperwork in the way or require exit visas etc. It's not a given everywhere around the world that one can emigrate.
If/when trump pulls some bullshit, uruk will not pay for it personally, hopefully no planeteers would wish to throw it in your face. Likewise discourse you don't agree with shouldn't bring us the whip.
I'll try to drop out of all political discourse here now no worries , it's not worth ruining anyone's lounging. Sorry errybody
I never have minded reading about your view and I'm not usually mean enough to crap on you for it, you should have your say
Fwiw tho, I do think what Uruk says is true, but he didn't hafta smack you with it
I didn't agree or disagree. I didn't like the delivery. it was mean spirited and that's not what we are about here. We are small enough here without losing more folks for having strong opinions about a shitty election season.
I agree, but after viewing Uruk's other post on the same topic, from the same day, I conclude that he was just wound up
over this whole election and the actions and comments made by the opposite side. I'm sure Uruk would
calm right down if he was restrained and a big blunt was shoved in his mouth
All points taken and processed. Screw politics. And now let's talk about that blunt... :Smokey:
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The process I refer to is where several people restrain the irritated one and while held down, the blunt is lit and placed in your mouth,
the one who lights up the blunt holds your lips firmly around the smoke while someone else pinches off your nostrils, until your lips
get close to the end of the blunt-- I understand that even though it begins in a violent way (actual irritated people never submit gracefully)
by the end everyone involved is quite relaxed and peaceable
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The process I refer to is where several people restrain the irritated one and while held down, the blunt is lit and placed in your mouth,
the one who lights up the blunt holds your lips firmly around the smoke while someone else pinches off your nostrils, until your lips
get close to the end of the blunt-- I understand that even though it begins in a violent way (actual irritated people never submit gracefully)
by the end everyone involved is quite relaxed and peaceable
Hmm, I get the point of the process, but don't think that I'll ever need to be forced to burn - even when I'm really pissed! :joint :Smokey: :smokebanana :passing-joint:
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I got to say I would burn one with any planeteer no questions. Until you flip out like time bomb hahaha
Jones, Uruk, thanks guys, I am glad for all yuns, JS I'm not sure you could possibly piss me off. WhoopWhoop for this crazy melting pot lounge I am addicted
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I got to say I would burn one with any planeteer no questions. Until you flip out like time bomb hahaha
Jones, Uruk, thanks guys, I am glad for all yuns, JS I'm not sure you could possibly piss me off. WhoopWhoop for this crazy melting pot lounge I am addicted
Man our old friend Timebomb was appropriately labeled by his own admission lol. Back at you avoca you know its all about really where you stand and if someone is truly your friend they will understand and accept. Even if you are a crusty old opinionated bastard like I think anyone who survives past the age of reason becomes. :smokin:
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...Even if you are a crusty old opinionated bastard like I think anyone who survives past the age of reason becomes. :smokin:
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Jade was always my hands down favorite gemstone. Not so sure I like the hue on my soul but hey!, we freaking earned our hues by now eh!
Y'all get points for putting up with me, thanks as always. This is mainly a resource for me, above all else, as we will never truly know each other.... But it is fun pretending. And good getting the chance to help out every so often. I like it.
You know, like anyone that thinks me mentally handicapped LOL, some of us will never know each other. But we can enjoy each other nonetheless.
I probably won't ever properly flesh out an argument here, I use language terse on purpose because I'm SO LONGWINDED! So I leave a lot to be inferred or read between the lines, has caused issues where the air is heavier than terseness. Apologies of course, why I have to be so strange I'll never understand
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...Even if you are a crusty old opinionated bastard like I think anyone who survives past the age of reason becomes. :smokin:
(http://i.imgur.com/Jgd1d5X.png)
:rollingonasslaughing: :rollingonasslaughing: :rollingonasslaughing:
Well played, EG!
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I got to say I would burn one with any planeteer no questions. Until you flip out like time bomb hahaha
Jones, Uruk, thanks guys, I am glad for all yuns, JS I'm not sure you could possibly piss me off. WhoopWhoop for this crazy melting pot lounge I am addicted
I'd burn one with you anytime, Avoca. I've burned with folks from all over the spectrum, and I've had many a heated debate on numerous topics when doing so. Depends on the individual how far that goes... :Smokey:
And I've generally appreciated the passion that I've encountered in those discussions, btw. Doesn't matter necessarily what the opinion is, but I get really bored with folks that have no fire. I also loathe closed-minded folks. I tend to shut down conversations with folks that lead off with, "Well, you'll never change my mind, and I'll never change yours..." - WTF! If we're not willing to listen to opinions with an open mind, then why have a conversation in the first place? I've changed significantly over the years based on what I've learned, and folks that try to put me in one dogmatic box or another will be sorely disappointed. Knowing for sure that our opinion is the right one before hearing out alternate opinions is one of the most dangerous concepts Americans have going right now.
And now for the morning wake and bake... :steamroller
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...Even if you are a crusty old opinionated bastard like I think anyone who survives past the age of reason becomes. :smokin:
(http://i.imgur.com/Jgd1d5X.png)
You're my antihero , the only entity that causes scrapbooking to pop up in my perpetual matrix search engine
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Uruk , not cool buddy to attack planeteers over politics.
Emigration has not always been a universal human right. It seems most everywhere but north Korea allows it to some extent today, but many countries do stack paperwork in the way or require exit visas etc. It's not a given everywhere around the world that one can emigrate.
If/when trump pulls some bullshit, uruk will not pay for it personally, hopefully no planeteers would wish to throw it in your face. Likewise discourse you don't agree with shouldn't bring us the whip.
I'll try to drop out of all political discourse here now no worries , it's not worth ruining anyone's lounging. Sorry errybody
Fair enough, and I'll apologize for being more direct with my comments towards you, Avoca. That being said, I'll go on the record and state that I certainly did not join the Planet/Lounge for political discourse. I'm just getting really sick and tired of the racist, nazi, what have you comments directed towards folks like me. They may not be directed at me personally, but I still take offense nonetheless (and therefore feel compelled to react.) I would suggest that such comments are one of the many significant reasons that Trump won, and folks on the other side of the fence should think long and hard about the value of focusing on identity politics as a strategy in the long term.
And now I'll shut up on the subject. What's done is done, and what will be will be.
I have lots of time to read, so I do read a lot of election related articles with the subsequent discussion-board threads. There are a few names/labels that make me skip posts in the threads because these posts tend to be more based on emotion than facts. Here are some: Nazi, fascist, libturd, Republitard, Democraps, etc. Also, statements like "You libs are going to lose your 'free ride', welfare, Medicaid, Medicare, blah blah blah. Now you're gonna have to work for a living....welfare recipients sell their food stamps for drugs" I think those comments bother me as I am disabled and on a fixed income thanks to an injury. Not every liberal is lazy and on public assistance, nor are all Republicans rich, white, and racist. I would love to go back to work, make a livable paycheck, and make a better life for my family (like I did for the 34 years or so before my injury). Everybody is different, and it only hurts us to paint groups of people with such a broad brush stroke. And for folks that believe that SS and Medicare are the good life (with lots of money for recreational substances), I can assure you that they are not the golden ticket.
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Uruk , not cool buddy to attack planeteers over politics.
Emigration has not always been a universal human right. It seems most everywhere but north Korea allows it to some extent today, but many countries do stack paperwork in the way or require exit visas etc. It's not a given everywhere around the world that one can emigrate.
If/when trump pulls some bullshit, uruk will not pay for it personally, hopefully no planeteers would wish to throw it in your face. Likewise discourse you don't agree with shouldn't bring us the whip.
I'll try to drop out of all political discourse here now no worries , it's not worth ruining anyone's lounging. Sorry errybody
Fair enough, and I'll apologize for being more direct with my comments towards you, Avoca. That being said, I'll go on the record and state that I certainly did not join the Planet/Lounge for political discourse. I'm just getting really sick and tired of the racist, nazi, what have you comments directed towards folks like me. They may not be directed at me personally, but I still take offense nonetheless (and therefore feel compelled to react.) I would suggest that such comments are one of the many significant reasons that Trump won, and folks on the other side of the fence should think long and hard about the value of focusing on identity politics as a strategy in the long term.
And now I'll shut up on the subject. What's done is done, and what will be will be.
I have lots of time to read, so I do read a lot of election related articles with the subsequent discussion-board threads. There are a few names/labels that make me skip posts in the threads because these posts tend to be more based on emotion than facts. Here are some: Nazi, fascist, libturd, Republitard, Democraps, etc. Also, statements like "You libs are going to lose your 'free ride', welfare, Medicaid, Medicare, blah blah blah. Now you're gonna have to work for a living....welfare recipients sell their food stamps for drugs" I think those comments bother me as I am disabled and on a fixed income thanks to an injury. Not every liberal is lazy and on public assistance, nor are all Republicans rich, white, and racist. I would love to go back to work, make a livable paycheck, and make a better life for my family (like I did for the 34 years or so before my injury). Everybody is different, and it only hurts us to paint groups of people with such a broad brush stroke. And for folks that believe that SS and Medicare are the good life (with lots of money for recreational substances), I can assure you that they are not the golden ticket.
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Very well said, Orthene! What a day it would be if Americans could leave their emotions at the door and use the logical side of their brains for a change.
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Well said orthene. I have known many people who are legitimately disabled or have need of public assistance programs and every last one of them gets angry over being lumped in with the deadbeats that commit fraud or purposely milk the systems as every last one of them would love to be off them forever. The 34 years you were working you paid into these programs anyway.
Something that royally pissed me off lately was reading the opposition to student loan forgiveness programs as if anyone who qualifies is trying to get off without paying. You must pay a minimum of 10 years without interruption even if you qualify. So basically you still paid back the loan, only some of the the interest is forgiven. I was forced to take student loans to keep my career going and now I owe more a month than the mortgage on my house. So for me it basically it equates to carrying a second mortgage that is more than your first. And will be paying the rest of my life. its a rigged game with the government holding all the cards so a big FUCK YOU to anyone opposed to teachers, social workers and other grossly underpaid folks working for non-profits having loan forgiveness. Even opposing Income based repayment plans? WTF. Read that - it is based on the fact your job doesn't pay a crap load. Good paying jobs are so hard to come by there's so much competition for decent full-time positions anymore. WHO are these people that are so high and mighty about it? I suspect many are trust fund assholes or the like. Whoever believes they are getting off easy has their head up their ass so far their breathe smells like shit. You can't get student loans discharged through bankruptcy either.
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Everytime I read about the loan forgiveness, I hear what you have been hearing -that applying for it makes one a deadbeat. Some people seem to be unable to put themselves in others shoes. They seem to envision slackers faking injuries to skirt an obligation. What the same people don't realize is that the government scrutinizes each application, because they are quite aware that scammers exist; everyone is a potential scammer until proof is submitted.
I was quite fortunate; my student loans were forgiven in total due to permanent disability. I contacted FedLoan and told them about my injury and disability approval from Soc. Security. Just had to provide proof, which was mostly copies of correspondence with SS. And after about 6 months, I got the letter stating my loans were forgiven. There are a few stipulations; one is that you will be permanently disabled for at least 3 years after the date of disability. Any employment in those next 3 years causes the loan to be reinstated in full. I don't think a lot of people know about forgiveness due to perm. disability. I only found out because I was actively seeking a solution for the loans with my income dropping to the size of a SS check.