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Marijuana profits up in smoke under IRS rules
« on: November 04, 2014, 09:04:57 AM »
The feds are fucking with legalization any way that they can think of. Didn't see that one coming..... :piss: :snoop: :14_6_12:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/03/irs-limits-profits-marijuana-businesses/18165033/

Voters in Oregon, Alaska, and Washington, D.C., will decide Tuesday whether to legalize the sale of recreational marijuana. But any new pot shops that voters approve may not be able to survive a drug war-era tax code that already threatens many businesses in Colorado and Washington state.

Under this tax code the federal government stands to make more money from the sale of marijuana than those legally selling it. And that could be enough to shut down many shops.

"It's almost like they want us to fail," said Mitch Woolhiser, while walking through his store called Northern Lights Cannabis Co. in Edgewater, Colo. "Everything I do is aimed at keeping us in business because if I don't, then (the feds) win. And I'm not going to let them win."

Woolhiser believes the federal government is actively seeking to undermine his business.

Medical marijuana stores blocked from tax breaks

Woolhiser first opened shop in 2010, selling medical marijuana. He started selling recreational pot when it became legal in Colorado at the start of this year. Last year, his business didn't earn a profit. Had he been selling anything but cannabis, he would not have owed federal income tax, as he ended up with a loss.

Instead, he ended up paying close to $20,000 to the IRS because of a 1980's tax code called 280E.

"I believe that the feds extend the drug war through 280E," said Jordan Cornelius, a Denver accountant who has worked with Woolhiser and many other marijuana companies in Colorado. "If (the federal government) can't put them out of business legally when voters are mandating these businesses to move forward, it's very easy to put them out of business financially."

It's unclear that the federal government is actively enforcing this tax code in an effort to undermine the legal business, but that is the effect.
Legalization of pot is on the ballot in several states

Legalization of pot is on the ballot in several states(Photo: I-News)

No one from the U.S. Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration or Internal Revenue Service would comment for this story. However, an IRS spokesperson provided a 2010 letter written in response to several lawmakers in Arizona, California, Colorado and Massachusetts who had asked the IRS to stop enforcing the tax code in states that legalized the sale of marijuana. The IRS letter pointed out that only Congress could make that change.

"The result you seek would require the Congress to amend either the Internal Revenue Code or the Controlled Substance Act," the IRS letter said.

Though multiple members of Congress received the letter, there has been little effort to amend the code.

Instead, the federal government collects taxes on what it considers an illegal drug because the Supreme Court ruled more than 50 years ago that everyone has to pay taxes — even those who make their money illegally.

Then, in 1982, Congress amended the U.S. tax code to include 280E, which says businesses selling a Schedule I or II drug — like marijuana, heroin, methamphetamine or cocaine — cannot deduct all of their regular business expenses.

The rule means that the "costs of the product," like the soil and fertilizer used to grow plants, are deductible. But the "costs of selling," like advertising, rent and utilities — even salaries for employees — are not deductible.

"If it made sense, I would feel better about following it," said Rob Corry, a Denver lawyer and marijuana advocate. "I don't see why production is deductible — they are still producing marijuana!"
Mitch Woolhiser, owner of Northern Lights Cannabis

Mitch Woolhiser, owner of Northern Lights Cannabis Co., talks about the federal taxes he pays from operating his medical and recreational marijuana store in Edgewater, Colo., on Friday, Oct., 31, 2014. Because of the nature of tax code 280E, which taxes Woolhiser at a higher rate than some other businesses, he doesn't know how much he will owe in taxes.(Photo: Joe Mahoney, Rocky Mountain PBS I-News)

But that quirk in the tax code has helped many cannabis companies stay in business over the last several years in Colorado. Medical marijuana stores were required to grow their own product, and therefore had some associated deductions.

Since Oct. 1, nearly 100 new cannabis companies got licenses to operate in Colorado and will no longer have to grow the products they sell. But without growing, many may soon find that they will have very few, if any, business deductions when filing federal taxes in April.

“If it made sense, I would feel better about following it. I don't see why production is deductible — they are still producing marijuana!”
Rob Corry, a Denver lawyer and marijuana advocate

For Woolhiser, whose sales have increased dramatically since he began selling recreational marijuana Jan. 1, the confusing nature of the code means he has no idea how much he will owe in taxes — just that it will be far more than what it might be if he was selling anything else.

"A lot of people think that the marijuana industry is just a license to print money," said Taylor West, deputy director of the National Cannabis Industry Association. "And it's just not the case."

West works for an association of more than 750 cannabis-related businesses across the United States, and says that 280E results in her clients paying more than 70% of their profits in taxes to the federal government.

Sometimes, the rates are far higher than that.

"A lot of times, instead of paying a tax rate that should be 30 to 40%, they are paying rates between 80 or 90%," Cornelius, the accountant, said. "I even have a client right now that is paying more than 100% effective tax rate."

Woolhiser is hoping that increased sales this year will make up for the loss he took last year — but he is still paying off his debt to the IRS.

"The problem is that we have passed laws that allowed these medical marijuana and recreational marijuana companies to do business," said Mac Clouse, a University of Denver finance professor who studies the industry. "But we have all these other laws, tax laws, federal laws that make it incredibly difficult if not utterly impossible to survive."

More states may legalize marijuana this year, but state laws don't change federal laws.

And barring any changes from Congress, new cannabis businesses in those states, along with the established shops in Colorado and Washington state, face a large, and possibly ruinous, tax bill come April 15.

Keep fighting the good fight, Colorado and Washington! We're counting on you to prevail...:weedspin :weedspin :weedspin

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Re: Marijuana profits up in smoke under IRS rules
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2014, 02:44:17 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2014, 03:35:35 PM »
Until it becomes federally legalized, we are going to keep seeing stuff like this happening. I'm not surprised seeing this. It is still illegal.

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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2014, 04:09:34 PM »
The federal government is enemy # 1
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2014, 04:46:06 PM »
Until it becomes federally legalized, we are going to keep seeing stuff like this happening. I'm not surprised seeing this. It is still illegal.

lol When its legal the gov will take over completly

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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2014, 06:04:37 PM »
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lol When its legal the gov will take over completly

and track every bud to the 1/10th of a gram. no one wins. better off staying just like it is.
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2014, 07:00:43 PM »
Until it becomes federally legalized, we are going to keep seeing stuff like this happening. I'm not surprised seeing this. It is still illegal.

lol When its legal the gov will take over completly


  It will never happen, but that reminds me of the Mustang Ranch, which was a brothel, in Nevada,  that the Federal Govt treid to take over and run themselves. They
did a lousy job and went out of business. Fact is even an idiot could run a brothel, even if all he did was shut up and take the money. Unfortunately the gov't was too
stupid to be an idiot.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/a/mustang_ranch.htm
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2014, 07:58:58 AM »
The federal government is enemy # 1

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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2014, 10:39:53 PM »
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lol When its legal the gov will take over completly

and track every bud to the 1/10th of a gram. no one wins. better off staying just like it is.

No kiddding. This is all pretty fucked up but it's really no surprise, you'd probably be a fool to think things would go smoothly with all this
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2014, 03:41:15 AM »
It's Ok, remember all these dispensaries are Non-Profits anyhow  :banana:

Really tho, way I see it lotsa inventory will be unaccounted for, which will yield incredible profits-

No way can the irs account for all the weed these guys grow/sell each other

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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2014, 09:59:45 AM »
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Really tho, way I see it lotsa inventory will be unaccounted for, which will yield incredible profits-

No way can the irs account for all the weed these guys grow/sell each other

once again the govt fucked up causing a black market from the white market. Because of tax greed, they won't get anywhere what they would have if they took less per vendor but had more compliant vendors.
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2014, 11:45:18 AM »
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Really tho, way I see it lotsa inventory will be unaccounted for, which will yield incredible profits-

No way can the irs account for all the weed these guys grow/sell each other

once again the govt fucked up causing a black market from the white market. Because of tax greed, they won't get anywhere what they would have if they took less per vendor but had more compliant vendors.


   Unfortunately the people who run the govt have little to zero idea how to run a successful business. They simply assume that since tens of
millions americans can run a successful biz that it is easy, which it is not. Also anything the gov't touches turns into doody from their magical
anti-midas gold touching. This regime really takes the cake, thinking they can simply tell businesses how much and when and it will just happen

 

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