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Brain Candy => Ethnobotanicals => Topic started by: avoca on September 15, 2013, 10:54:47 PM
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Once you get past that reverse tolerance with Kava is there a maintenance schedule? It seems most say after they break through that reverse tolly they can go a couple months and it's the same when they come back. i want to make sure I'm doing it often enough to not be starting over each time. if that's a concern even.
Trying toss n wash tonight and i'm not really impressed, but it's been a cpl weeks since ive done kava...
i like the rex method of squeezing thru cloth, seems to numb my mouth the most. So I imagine I'm getting more of the lactones and best effects. but anymore I put it in a jar with warm water[not hot so as not to ruin lactones] and shake for a few minutes. Then filter, chug that liquid, and re-infuse for a few more min. 2 times, 3 seems almost not worth it. I have been filtering on last step but now that i know ppl t&w i will start chugging all of it.
i plan on doing it every night this week until I'm toe up. then I know I've broken through. maybe i'll move evening kratom to day durng work, and kava at night. The possibilities.
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I'll let you know. Ordering some tonight. Giving bula kava house a try. Heard their kavas are very potent... Been couple weeks for me too...
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I have never gotten anything from kava
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I have never gotten anything from kava
Have you bought from kava site? I tried gelcaps from store, teas powders etc, but never got effect until I ordered from Hawaii. Kava by Rex.
This will be my 4th night so I expect that breakthrough! Is ok so far but I want to get drunk where I know I'm there no doubt.
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I have done all forms including Rex, KavaKona, caps, etc.. used all methods too
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It just doesn't work for some people. I'm just happy it works for me...
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I've only tried Fire Island and Shaman Instant Kava, kind of meh. Some results but nothing to write home about. Still have some, more testing to do I guess. Perhaps you do need to go through the muss and fuss of preparation after all.
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I was lucky it worked for me the first time...
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I know there was quite a few times I was high as a kite with the bag of Solomon kava I just finished a couple weeks ago... very excited to try out Bula kava house as I've heard their kava is even more potent than nakamal at home's... Went for the boroguru as that's supposed to be a very potent muscle relaxant...
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I forgot to take my Damn kava last night Damn damn. For my breakthrough experiment. I will make up for it. 8-)
Bula kava house, now if that's not potent they need to change their name cuz that just sounds awesome. Ima order from z_eclectic I believe and pick up some of his famous kratom stem n vein too. Good luck, hope it's yummy.
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Eventually I'll work my way up to.that Papua New guinea koniak kava. Supposed to be extremely potent and intoxicating...
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I've only tried Fire Island and Shaman Instant Kava, kind of meh. Some results but nothing to write home about. Still have some, more testing to do I guess. Perhaps you do need to go through the muss and fuss of preparation after all.
I do feel it better when squeezing through sock for @ least 5 min into one serving water. Not too much water so you're not drinking volume. Warm is good but cold is fine and tastes better. Drink & repeat cuz gramma grew up in the depression & taught us all not to waste.
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Got my order from bula kava house today. Half kilo of boroguru. Soaking for awhile. Gonna squeeze it out after we get back from the store. Can't squeeze it out now cuz I'm out of nylons for straining bags. Super excited as this kava is supposed to be a real muscle melter!!
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I just soaked quarter cup in 8oz jar, shook for 10 min, repeat and drank grounds. Mellow so far but I've felt more in the past. Still hoping for that big breakthrough, maybe I have more later. I have had luck with his before, felt just on the edge, ready to make this a regular helper.
Definitely let us know how your BUla turns out.
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First shell (4 oz cup) down. Little bit milder tasting than Solomon kava. This is my first time with a Vanuatu strain... I used 4tbsp with one cup milk, one cup water, and 4tsp of canola oil. Recipe I've used many times. The fat in the milk and oil helps draw out some more kavalactones as they are lipid soluble...
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After a week on this kava, I can say it is actually better for me than Solomon kava from nakamal at home. Put it to the real test last night. Pulled my groin muscle at work, then drank my sixteen ounces of this miracle liquid, and the pain was dramatically reduced!! Excellent stuff!!
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Bula kava house for the win!! My recipe is 5 tbsp of root powder, 1 cup hot (but not boiling) water, 1 cup cold milk and 4 tsp canola oil. Sounds nasty but the fat in the milk and oil gives the fat necessary to draw out more of the kavalactones. Soak for 30-60 minutes, then pour into a bowl covered with a stretched nylon over it. Knead and squeeze for about 5-10 minutes. Another tip is be sure your stomach is COMPLETELY empty as it helps you absorb maximum kavalactones... Keep at it for a few days, even if you don't feel much. Get that reverse tolerance down...
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I just ordered some Vanuatu from Kava by rex. They had good stuff before. I've had profound effects and a lot of fun with kava.
I think the key is getting it out of the herb, the lipid soluble lactones, so they can be absorbed. I always massaged it in a sock or muslin bag in a bowl submerged, until it didn't feel squishy anymore or oily but felt grainy and sandy. Always worked great, never wasted a drop.
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I think I will give in & also squeeze the kava again. Does seem the best method in my experience.
I also think it's fuller "flavor" than instants/pastes. More notes in that song.
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I have tried Kava Before but not for any other reason than just to relax without using Alcohol back when I used to drink.
But sounds like it's helping you a lot. And any natural substance which can help is A+ in my book. I am going to have to not eat so I can order some KRATOM plants, so I have some on hand before our insane government makes it illegal to have KRATOM !
:goodpost
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I use a pair of Nylons to strain and massage, and I resoak twice..
It has areverse tolerance so the first few times are nothing special..just a bit of numbness...but after about four or five days it gets real...
My Fav Is Stone Kava...from Nakamal at home
http://www.nakamalathome.com/
you have to have some soy lecithin to help make it active.
http://www.bulkfoods.com/health-foods/4298-lecithin-powder.html
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I use vegetable oil. It's not necessary obviously, as the islanders just use water and they've been doing it for thousands of years that way...
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the stuff does nothing for me except make my lips numb
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Kava definitely doesn't work on everyone...
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I tried it years ago, and it didn't do enough for me to pursue it. Since I found Kratom, I don't really see the point of going through the Kava hassle when a quick Kratom toss and wash gets the job done - and nicely at that! I don't even see the point in hassling with Kratom tea, for that matter, but to each their own.
Perhaps I'm missing out, though. How do you folks that use both compare the two? Is one better than the other, or are they fairly similar experiences?
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it works on a fundamental level to get you "numb Drunk" all over.. there are better highs
in the end it makes me feel a bit more sick than good..
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It definitely works on my depression, anxiety and pain. It just works well with my body chemistry. Bulakavahouse so far has had the highest quality root for the best price in my opinion...
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Cool, thanks for the feedback. I think I still have a couple of instant Kava samples laying around from a great vendor. I'm sure I won't be doing it like I should, but I'll check them out just the same. Hate to see it go to waste and all... ;D
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Kratom is totally different from kava, although they do complement each other. Kratom is all about your opiate receptors, kava acts on benzo pathways (xanax). Kratom definitely has an addiction element, some say kava does also but most say not... Just in case I don't kava every day... I'm already on the kratom train.
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Also, best of luck with your kratom trees. Scale got mine, one still alive but no leaves, hope it comes back. I was surprised, felt I'd have better luck as I have several tropical houseplants years old. But those damn scale bugs got em...
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Kratom Is awesome...But A lot Of the times it Hurts My Tummy...And Tolerance Builds Fast For me..My Worst Case Was Like close To 7 tablespoons..gag just thinking of it mixed with grapefruit juice..Ughg..Sludge
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Kratom Is awesome...But A lot Of the times it Hurts My Tummy...And Tolerance Builds Fast For me..My Worst Case Was Like close To 7 tablespoons..gag just thinking of it mixed with grapefruit juice..Ughg..Sludge
Agreed, and interesting that you bring that up. My wife tried the Kratom along with me when I was first introduced, and she really liked it. After about a month of experimentation with pretty low doses, her stomach started giving her major problems. We've tried various ways of consumption with her at this point, and it's now apparent that she simply cannot take it anymore. Not sure if she has something else going on that the Kratom exposes, or if it is simply the Kratom itself. Regardless, no more Kratom for her - bummer! :(
And I just toss and then wash, btw. I've tried mixing it with several things to make it palatable, but the grit just turns me off. Haven't tried the whole leaf route as it seems whole leaf tea isn't is strong as the powder down the hatch, at least that's what I've read in several places.
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Yes , it is only certain people, I have a friend that has no probs with 20 + teaspoons a day split up...I NEVER could Redose..,,it Never worked me..made me throw up
Certain Thai Strains Do me right and energetic in low doses
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Uruk, maybe a tea would work, not ingesting grounds... It's harder to get full strength without eating the grounds also. But if that's her only option, it may work...
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Thanks, Avoca. Great minds think alike. :beers:
We tried that very thing, and it produced the same result. I was even thinking an extract might help so she could reduce the amount of material consumed, or even an extract based tea, but I think she's just done with it at this point. Really tears her stomach up. It must be the alkaloids that are doing her in versus the consumed plant material. Really sucks because Kratom is my next favorite natural substance after MJ, and she liked it, too. Maybe I should get her to try the Kava samples I have? Different alkaloids...Hmmm?
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Kava is very earthy and even makes me gag sometimes. Paradise kava does make a flavored extract that's supposed yo be top notch (though I've never tried it) that you just let dissolve under your tongue. That might work fir her... If she gets nauseous easy I don't suggest drinking kava tea...
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Thanks, Hellion.
Not sure that I would say she gets nauseous easily, but the Kratom certainly does a number on her. I'm going to let her decide on the Kava thing. I just happen to have a couple of free samps around if she wants to try it. It claims to be 'Super Instant Kava,' and it says mix with water. I'd be wary too if I were her. Not gonna push her to try it.
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I've never tried instant kava. I've always strained and kneaded
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I've tried several instant kavas from Z-eclectic (has great kratom too but is Dwolla). They do seem to work well but are perhaps more one-note, but then again kava varies regionally so it's hard to say. Their kava paste is super yum yum, 84% kavalactones. I use a toothpick and dip some out, apply to buccal zone, works great. I like it better than Kaviar instant.
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Some people just don't understand the effects of kava, not meant to get you "high", so if thats what you are expecting then move on, useless comments help nobody...
I see some great advice in this thread.
Bula kava house is the shit...
Nylon stockings work great and its quite fun shopping for them :/ ...
Try some agua de coco by Goya, instead of regular warm water...
A little bit of ginger is your friend...
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Ginger for the nausea, awesome Idea.
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Ginger for the nausea, awesome Idea.
I've heard peppermint tea is good for nausea, never tried it. But that may be good tasting, ginger n mint...
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I'm unsure if this counts as a breakthrough, (I also forgot my dosage) but I was taking Kava for more than a week or so and the one night I drank 2 or 3 strong cups of Vanuatuan kava.
It had me purging drunk as shit for 4-5 hours with a 2 hour crash. Great vibes
:weedpass:
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I think I get your point synester, but purging for 5 hrs sounds terrible lol!!!
To the original point of this thread, as your post is on point, I believe I reached my breakthrough earlier this summer. I remember at festival my kava completely numbed me out, was at peace with the world. Then I got into shortcuts, different preparations, so less effect.
But with this kava paste, I know I'm in the pocket. I still think it's lacking some of the lactones of the full root but it does the trick.
Took a late night 5 grams of Z's stem n vein, and a toothpick of kava paste. My ps4 is absorbing @the moment. Maybe another toothpick and I can sleep.
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I think I get your point synester, but purging for 5 hrs sounds terrible lol!!!
To the original point of this thread, as your post is on point, I believe I reached my breakthrough earlier this summer. I remember at festival my kava completely numbed me out, was at peace with the world. Then I got into shortcuts, different preparations, so less effect.
But with this kava paste, I know I'm in the pocket. I still think it's lacking some of the lactones of the full root but it does the trick.
Took a late night 5 grams of Z's stem n vein, and a toothpick of kava paste. My ps4 is absorbing @the moment. Maybe another toothpick and I can sleep.
Hahah, I meant for an hour or so! Just to empty my stomach as I had a sandwich before I consumed the mixture created.
It was a blissful experience and I got very inebriated off it 4-5 hours